It’s Hellboy As A Robot

Brian!

We get that a lot. Positive reviews use it as a hook to get people to check us out, negative reviews spit it out like an accusation we ought to be ashamed of and defend against. I prefer to ignore it as I’m of the school of thought that says reacting against petty things gives them far too much validation. But, the sheer ridiculousness of it is on my mind, so here we go!

I know no one will believe me, but for the record, I came up with the major elements of Atomic Robo several years before I’d read a single page of Hellboy. At the time, all I knew of the series came from the trade paperback covers. I was convinced it was a comic about a monster, apparently called Hellboy, who plagued mankind in some way.

Book, cover, judge, don’t.

I could never find all the trades, or I didn’t know if I could because they weren’t numbered back then. I can’t stand starting in the middle of something, so I avoided reading it. This is why Robo is written so that any issue is a great starter issue even though I realize the futility in doing so. The kind of person who would most benefit from that is the kind of person who, like me, would never open a random issue because it’s not starting at the beginning. But I’m a big fan of Norse mythology, so I choose futility.

Anyway. Little things like Tesla’s involvement hadn’t been decided upon yet, but the big things, like Robo owning a company dedicated to investigating/fighting weird-science emergencies all over the world, being old, tough, and funny were all there. These dimensions to his character weren’t decided upon at random, and they could not be changed. They are a natural part of his character. Robo doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Who and where he is at any given point is a direct consequence of his presence in the world. His existence would necessarily have impacts on technology, industry, science, politics, and religion. How people in those spheres of influence reacted to Robo over the years would necessarily affect Robo himself.

So, imagine my surprise when the Hellboy movie came out years later and I was finally able to find all the trade paperbacks. In them I found an old and tough character who stomps through history at the discretion of an agency dedicated to eliminating threats outside the norm.

Oops.

Of course, as soon as you go beyond those surface details, the comparison becomes ridiculous. You might as well say that Spider-Man is nothing more than a Batman rip off. Think about it! Both have a tragic past that haunts them, both combat a mix of petty and super crime, both are excellent fighters, both are very intelligent, both use/invent gadgets, and — most damning of all — both swing through their cities!

Of course, no one says that Spider-Man is just a Batman rip off because 1) that’s stupid, and 2) there’s no reason to. Everyone knows who Batman is. Everyone knows who Spider-Man is. You don’t have to say “He’s a funny Batman”. Atomic Robo is the new kid in town and there’s only one other comic remotely like it, so we hear, “He’s a robot Hellboy,” because that’s the quickest way to communicate the basic idea even if it’s technically inaccurate.

So, when people say it to try to hook new readers, I cringe internally, but I know what they mean. It’s like when you pitch a movie in Hollywood. You’ve got to sell it and you’ve got to do it quick. The fastest way to do that is to hit them with something they’re already familiar with. “It’s Star Wars plus Dracula!” is far more immediately engaging than a twenty minute discourse about your space opera with vampires.

It’s where the “robotic Hellboy” idea is supposed to be used against us that I get confused, because it makes exactly as much sense as saying Spider-Man is a Batman ripoff, which is to say, none.

I guess both Robo and Hellboy go on missions and exist in history? I mean, are we seriously saying Mignola invented putting characters in the past or going on missions? Are League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and Planetary just Hellboy fanfics?

I’ll grant that both characters are old and tough. Robo’s a robot, so of course he doesn’t age and he’s tough — that’s what robots do. Are we now suggesting that Mignola invented old, tough characters? Should Ellis give the royalties to any of his “century babies” stories to Mignola? Kirkman’s Brit? Pretty much every member of the JSA? Tom Strong? Captain America?

What’s funny about all this is that my complaint here is that the only complaint we get is idiotic. We must be doing something right if our detractors are A) few and B) objectively wrong.

I mean, if you want to accuse us of ripping anything off, here’s the list: Ghostbusters, Buckaroo Banzai, Indiana Jones, Dragnet, Rocketeer, Iron Giant.


  • Mecha-Shiva

    Certainly there are similarities to Hellboy, but unless there’s an upcoming issue where we learn that Robo was summoned from hell and is supposed to bring about the apocalypse, the only similarity that matters is that Atomic Robo is as fun to read as Hellboy.

    I’m reminded of both the “Simpsons Did It” episode of South Park, and a recent thing with Neil Gaiman talking about Harry Potter:

    http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/04/fair-use-and-other-things.html

    “Back in November I was tracked down by a Scotsman journalist who had noticed the similarities between my Tim Hunter character and Harry Potter, and wanted a story. And I think I rather disappointed him by explaining that, no, I certainly *didn’t* believe that Rowling had ripped off Books of Magic, that I doubted she’d read it and that it wouldn’t matter if she had: I wasn’t the first writer to create a young magician with potential, nor was Rowling the first to send one to school. It’s not the ideas, it’s what you do with them that matters.

    Genre fiction, as Terry Pratchett has pointed out, is a stew. You take stuff out of the pot, you put stuff back. The stew bubbles on.”

  • Mecha-Shiva

    Certainly there are similarities to Hellboy, but unless there’s an upcoming issue where we learn that Robo was summoned from hell and is supposed to bring about the apocalypse, the only similarity that matters is that Atomic Robo is as fun to read as Hellboy.

    I’m reminded of both the “Simpsons Did It” episode of South Park, and a recent thing with Neil Gaiman talking about Harry Potter:

    http://journal.neilgaiman.com/2008/04/fair-use-and-other-things.html

    “Back in November I was tracked down by a Scotsman journalist who had noticed the similarities between my Tim Hunter character and Harry Potter, and wanted a story. And I think I rather disappointed him by explaining that, no, I certainly *didn’t* believe that Rowling had ripped off Books of Magic, that I doubted she’d read it and that it wouldn’t matter if she had: I wasn’t the first writer to create a young magician with potential, nor was Rowling the first to send one to school. It’s not the ideas, it’s what you do with them that matters.

    Genre fiction, as Terry Pratchett has pointed out, is a stew. You take stuff out of the pot, you put stuff back. The stew bubbles on.”

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    You’ll get no argument from me!

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    You’ll get no argument from me!

  • Shane

    You tell ‘em, Mr. Clevinger, you tell ‘em.

    The worst thing about that complaint is that I can just hear a friend of mine damning Robo if he heard that comparison…and it makes me sad. :(

  • Shane

    You tell ‘em, Mr. Clevinger, you tell ‘em.

    The worst thing about that complaint is that I can just hear a friend of mine damning Robo if he heard that comparison…and it makes me sad. :(

  • Ryan

    You know, if Scott would stop putting portraits of Anung un Rama is every 7th issue, then you wouldn’t have this problem! ;-)

  • Ryan

    You know, if Scott would stop putting portraits of Anung un Rama is every 7th issue, then you wouldn’t have this problem! ;-)

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    I concur!

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    I concur!

  • http://www.acupofrich.com/ Rich

    ok…obviously WAY late commenting on this one: I picked up on the Iron Giant rip off a long time ago. ;)

  • http://www.acupofrich.com Rich

    ok…obviously WAY late commenting on this one: I picked up on the Iron Giant rip off a long time ago. ;)

  • B^Uckley

    Atomic Robo sucks, you’re a terrible writer, and you have the exact same story as Hellboy only with added Tesla masturbation.

  • B^Uckley

    Atomic Robo sucks, you’re a terrible writer, and you have the exact same story as Hellboy only with added Tesla masturbation.

  • Quietus

    At least change the setting to World War I or the Cold War, Nazis are the most cliche of villains. And the German soldiers in issue 1 don't even look like Nazis.

  • Quietus

    At least change the setting to World War I or the Cold War, Nazis are the most cliche of villains. And the German soldiers in issue 1 don't even look like Nazis.

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    Robo wasn't built in World War 1, so that'd be a tough one.

    Some of the soldiers were from the Italian Army, so maybe that's what's confusing you.

    And we've done a Cold War story which will be reprinted in the Vol 2 trade paperback. We'll be doing another Cold War story in Vol 3 and I believe all of Vol 5 will take place during the Cold War. So, we've got you covered there.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bclevinger bclevinger

    Robo wasn't built in World War 1, so that'd be a tough one.

    Some of the soldiers were from the Italian Army, so maybe that's what's confusing you.

    And we've done a Cold War story which will be reprinted in the Vol 2 trade paperback. We'll be doing another Cold War story in Vol 3 and I believe all of Vol 5 will take place during the Cold War. So, we've got you covered there.

  • Quietus

    Fair enough, and I understand you're playing with classic pulp conventions, but it still feels like the enemies have been done before. Even the shift from "super Nazi clobberer" to "super-Soviet clobberer" has been used by everyone from Indiana Jones to Delta Green to, well, Hellboy. Though I guess it's natural, considering how the Soviets really did replace Nazi Germany as world peace enemy #1.

    If I were to offer any ideas it would be to fight the lesser, but also antagonistic, enemies of the time. Italian Fascists. Japanese Imperialists. Later on, Chinese Communists.

  • Quietus

    Fair enough, and I understand you're playing with classic pulp conventions, but it still feels like the enemies have been done before. Even the shift from "super Nazi clobberer" to "super-Soviet clobberer" has been used by everyone from Indiana Jones to Delta Green to, well, Hellboy. Though I guess it's natural, considering how the Soviets really did replace Nazi Germany as world peace enemy #1.

    If I were to offer any ideas it would be to fight the lesser, but also antagonistic, enemies of the time. Italian Fascists. Japanese Imperialists. Later on, Chinese Communists.

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    Then you'll enjoy Volume 5.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/bclevinger bclevinger

    Then you'll enjoy Volume 5.

  • Vyper

    New robo-nut here, Love the trade, can't wait for the next. Have to admit that I did I kinda see Tesladyne and Atomic-Robo as a kinda of BPRD/hell-boy parody in the first instance but on reading through the trade it's clear its not. Robo has more characterisation delivered in a far smoother, simpler manner. I actually warmed to Mr A more than big red, his comedic qualities on the Viking/Mars mission were classic… mars angels, rockmen and yes Steven Hawking IS a Bastard! :)

    Here's to more, pulpy, sci-fi, genre crossing hokum! Let the stew bubble forth!

    Mark aka Vyper

  • Vyper

    New robo-nut here, Love the trade, can't wait for the next. Have to admit that I did I kinda see Tesladyne and Atomic-Robo as a kinda of BPRD/hell-boy parody in the first instance but on reading through the trade it's clear its not. Robo has more characterisation delivered in a far smoother, simpler manner. I actually warmed to Mr A more than big red, his comedic qualities on the Viking/Mars mission were classic… mars angels, rockmen and yes Steven Hawking IS a Bastard! :)

    Here's to more, pulpy, sci-fi, genre crossing hokum! Let the stew bubble forth!

    Mark aka Vyper

  • Jacob

    I've been trying to stay away from robo because i thought it looked like a Hellboy ripoff. The sarcastic, togh, old main character seemed like too much of a coincidence, and on top of all that he works at a place to get rid of stuff thats kinda not from around here. The art also looks mignola-ish. after reading the first few pages, i see many similarities but WAY more differences. also, i wanna read it and hope they come out with a toy so i can pose it with my hellboy :D

  • Jacob

    I've been trying to stay away from robo because i thought it looked like a Hellboy ripoff. The sarcastic, togh, old main character seemed like too much of a coincidence, and on top of all that he works at a place to get rid of stuff thats kinda not from around here. The art also looks mignola-ish. after reading the first few pages, i see many similarities but WAY more differences. also, i wanna read it and hope they come out with a toy so i can pose it with my hellboy :D

  • Clwedd

    If "Why Atomic-Robo hates Dr. Dinosaur" had not converted me (my first exposure this past weekend), then the clincher would have been

    <I mean, if you want to accuse us of ripping anything off, here’s the list: Ghostbusters, Buckaroo Banzai, Indiana Jones, Dragnet, Rocketeer, Iron Giant.>

    But then, I DID read to blog because I enjoyed the comic. A bit of circular logic folks.

    I even read the short piece to my (long suffering) wife. She has so little interest in the general topic -let me illustrate. 1) She learned last month that our 5 year old nephew was named after a Buffy character (previous to that she thought Xander was an uncharacteristically original name for my sister to choose) and 2) she looked blankly at me yesterday when I chuckled at seeing my bosses laptop's screen engage and green alien characters started falling down a black screen. "Matrix." I added. Pause. "Is that from a movie?" As you can imagine, I don't go there often, but I did with A-R.

  • Clwedd

    If "Why Atomic-Robo hates Dr. Dinosaur" had not converted me (my first exposure this past weekend), then the clincher would have been

    <I mean, if you want to accuse us of ripping anything off, here’s the list: Ghostbusters, Buckaroo Banzai, Indiana Jones, Dragnet, Rocketeer, Iron Giant.>

    But then, I DID read to blog because I enjoyed the comic. A bit of circular logic folks.

    I even read the short piece to my (long suffering) wife. She has so little interest in the general topic -let me illustrate. 1) She learned last month that our 5 year old nephew was named after a Buffy character (previous to that she thought Xander was an uncharacteristically original name for my sister to choose) and 2) she looked blankly at me yesterday when I chuckled at seeing my bosses laptop's screen engage and green alien characters started falling down a black screen. "Matrix." I added. Pause. "Is that from a movie?" As you can imagine, I don't go there often, but I did with A-R.

  • mad2physicist

    This is of course absurdly late, but I just got read some of the old atomic robo stuff, and I got to thinking about this issue Brian mentions. I can see where people are going with this. After all, the description ‘Big, tough, flippant hero fights weird crap’ is the first description that comes to my mind for both Hellboy and Atomic Robo. On the other hand, who cares? Beyond tapping into the same archetype in a very broad way, there’s very little similarity. Even the ‘funny’ aspect is completely different: Hellboy is gruff and defiant, but not otherwise funny, whereas Atomic Robo is written by Brian, which means that it involves his bizarre, hilariously non-linear logical nightmare kinds of constructions that I love so much.
    Furthermore, Hellboy is in a fantasy setting, whereas Robo is sci-fi. The artwork is a little similar, in that both are well-drawn and do not look like Donald Duck, but Wegener (whose name may be misspelled here) and Mignola are pretty different, and both styles work amazingly well with their respective comics.
    So it seems to me that there’s no point using this comparison negatively. I’d certainly use it positively, for the reasons Brian mentions. But mostly, I want to say that to my mind this comparison is a complement of sorts. At least, when I think of the comparison, I don’t think ‘this is like a Hellboy rip-off,’ but ‘this is good for many of the same (and many different too) reasons that Hellboy is good.’ When I say ‘It’s like Hellboy,’ I don’t just mean in content (where its only superficially true), I mean in quality (and Hellboy is currently my favorite comic, though Robo may surpass him eventually – there’s just not enough issues out yet to make a real quality comparison).

  • mad2physicist

    This is of course absurdly late, but I just got read some of the old atomic robo stuff, and I got to thinking about this issue Brian mentions. I can see where people are going with this. After all, the description ‘Big, tough, flippant hero fights weird crap’ is the first description that comes to my mind for both Hellboy and Atomic Robo. On the other hand, who cares? Beyond tapping into the same archetype in a very broad way, there’s very little similarity. Even the ‘funny’ aspect is completely different: Hellboy is gruff and defiant, but not otherwise funny, whereas Atomic Robo is written by Brian, which means that it involves his bizarre, hilariously non-linear logical nightmare kinds of constructions that I love so much.
    Furthermore, Hellboy is in a fantasy setting, whereas Robo is sci-fi. The artwork is a little similar, in that both are well-drawn and do not look like Donald Duck, but Wegener (whose name may be misspelled here) and Mignola are pretty different, and both styles work amazingly well with their respective comics.
    So it seems to me that there’s no point using this comparison negatively. I’d certainly use it positively, for the reasons Brian mentions. But mostly, I want to say that to my mind this comparison is a complement of sorts. At least, when I think of the comparison, I don’t think ‘this is like a Hellboy rip-off,’ but ‘this is good for many of the same (and many different too) reasons that Hellboy is good.’ When I say ‘It’s like Hellboy,’ I don’t just mean in content (where its only superficially true), I mean in quality (and Hellboy is currently my favorite comic, though Robo may surpass him eventually – there’s just not enough issues out yet to make a real quality comparison).

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