Writin’ About Writers

Brian!
writin-about-writers

I came across this article thanks to Mr. Benito’s Twitter.

It’s a long article, but I invite you to check it out when you can. It’s well researched, interesting, and examines an odd quirk of today’s comics industry. My short reaction is that it’s about half spot on and half malarkey.

The premise is that today’s comic book writers are given too much credit for the final product, often unfairly and at the expense of the rest of the creative team. I agree with that completely. I’ve lost track of how many reviews for Atomic Robo will heap praises on me, sometimes citing specific moments that they have no idea were Scott’s contributions! And then toward the end of the review they’ll mention off-handedly that the art was great too. Lame.

Don’t get me wrong, my pathetic little ego lives for those reviews, but it’s impossible to draw a distinct line between what Scott brings to an issue and what I do. The last page of our FCBD 2009 story is a perfect example of this. It’s the main punchline of the narrative, and it’s carried 100% by the art. Further, the joke itself, that there’s grenades hidden in an Igloo cooler, would never have occurred to me were it not for Scott’s original concept sketches wherein Dr. Dinosaur equipped himself with, among other things, a spatula and the cooler. And Scott wouldn’t have done that had I not explained Dr. Dinosaur as someone who has had to scavenge to survive and may or may not be completely out of his mind.

So, yeah, who the hell told that joke on the last page? I dunno! But I’m the one who gets a pat on the back for it.

Anyway, back to the article! The author cites comic book runs that are typically identified and marketed by the writers — either alone or so centrally that they may as well be. The author then posits that the quality of those works changed significantly when the artists changed. Therefore, why oh why is the artist so maligned and forgotten when he or she is clearly a major factor in those works? The author seems genuinely mystified by this phenomenon, especially given the low opinion he holds of today’s comics writers.

Well, here’s the answer. Ready? It happens because it behooves the publishers to create an illusion of continuity. The end.

If a run is popular, the cheapest way to keep it going is to remind everyone that Talent A is still on the book, so it’s still good, so you should still buy it, or you should start to buy it so you can see what everyone’s been talking about. More often than not, Talent A is going to be the writer simply because a writer can finish several scripts in the time it takes an artist to draw one. In fact, that’s why publishers are encouraged to market writers over other creators: one “big name” writer can carry several books at once while a “big name” artist is lucky to handle one title consistently. So, you unfairly elevate the writer on enough titles for enough years, and blammo, you create the myth that the writer is the most important part of a creative team, which further adds to the publisher’s benefit of continuing to market the writer, because they’re the ones who are important anyway. It’s this perfect little cycle. The myth is only reinforced by the industry’s desperate gamble to sell titles based on an individual issue’s “importance” to a character’s history. This “importance” is an entirely narrative function, and while I wouldn’t suggest that you cannot tell a story through pictures alone, the kind of melodramatic faux-importance we’re talking about is primarily carried by a bunch of words. So, again, market the writer to market the event to market the writer for the next event and on and on.

What bugs me about the article is that the author, having forgotten that there are realities of business tied to the comics industry as described above, then spends a great deal of time lamenting the sorry state of today’s comic book writers who somehow get primary credit for the final comic when these writers aren’t as good as, say, Alan Moore, who is similarly credited.

What?

I mean, maybe I’m reading into it, and please correct me if I’m wrong, but is his complaint really that we don’t have enough Alan Moores? If so, I hope he never wins the lottery. “Only seventeen million? No, no, it’s fine. I guess…”

Not everyone is going to be Alan Moore. That’s what makes him Alan Moore. You should thank god there’s one of him at all. But no, the article seems to be crying out “Where, oh where, is the modern Alan Moore?”

Uh, Northampton, I think.


  • Mike

    Talk about a “comic snob”…I'm sorry, but this guy comes off like a jerk to me. Not every comic can be Watchmen. Not every comic SHOULD be Watchmen. That's what makes Watchmen special. Of course, Watchmen wouldn't be Watchmen without Dave Gibbons, who I noticed didn't get mentioned, even though the book did. But the nature of a book like “Y: The Last Man” is completely different than the nature of a book like “From Hell”. You don't need to micro-manage every panel of every page in order to get a good story, and I would think it takes a lot of ego on the part of the writer to think that the book would suck if he wasn't standing over the artist's shoulder telling him that he's doing it wrong. The reputation of Animal Man suffered because of Chas Truog? Is he serious? Is he high?

    I love how he also doesn't take into account the factor of trust and collaboration that seems to happen between a good writer and artist. He seems to be making a dig at Neil Gaiman on that Sandman bit, but seriously…when your artist is fucking P. Craig Russel? You give him the details that he needs to get the job done and you get the fuck out of the way! A truly good writer knows when to say: “here's what has to happen, now do what you do”, and sometimes being overly instructive is just plain counterproductive.

    Maybe I'm just misreading his intent, or misunderstanding something…but that article actually just kinda made me mad.

  • motorjed

    I seldom read a online comic reviews because it seems like many have difficulty differentiating a review with fan-boy opinion, and I don't particularly dig armchair creatives.

    Tong's article appears to confuse opinion with criticism – while somehow managing to both acknowledge it and ignore it – I'm not a huge Miller fan (admittedly I do enjoy much of his work), but the repeated swipes at his writing (and Bendis', and Vaughan's) did less to add to his argument than it did to further my want to dismiss it.

    After reading the article, I agree, it certainly does read as a complaint that there aren't more Alan Moore's in the biz. That may not have been the point of it but, intentional or not, that is the message I took away. Oddly enough, despite Tong's best efforts for the article comes across otherwise, when I think about it, it seems about as professional as someone who uses a “review” to mention how much they think Deadpool kicks ass.

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    Yeah, a lot that article struck me as a re-telling of The Princess and the Pea with comic books.

    “Oh, my refined tastes are so delicate that your mere Bendises and Vaughans are as ashes in my mouth. Woe, if only there was such a genius as to catch my appreciation.”

  • Lord_Derg

    Important Atomic Robo question!!! When will Volume 3 trade paperback come out? Im a trade wraiter (sorry!) and was looking to know so I can have som atomic robo goodness.

    Hope you don't mind me asking, thanks.

  • motorjed

    EXACTLY – The “meh” attitude is awful. “Meh,” plus the but-they're-no-Alan-Moore is borderline insulting – especially considering all the other names he seems to dismiss are largely considered popular if not critically acclaimed in their own right (to various degrees). It smacks of snobbery.

    I think it just annoys me more because he doesn't seem to care, even though he's apparently attempting some sort of actual criticism.

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    “When will Volume 3 trade paperback come out?

    December 9th!

  • Trimpnick

    Brian, how did it feel to have your creation fire yourselves? (Assuming the dude on the left is Clevinger to the Wegener on the right).

    Pretty good issue, it would have been my favorite of vol. 3 if not for #4 :)

  • Ben L

    I read into the post that he was saying that it's a shame that writers have gotten so much attention over artists, and that it's mostly unfounded. I think he's looking to a renaissance of writers who know the beats and layouts of comics, so they can collaborate better, and, hopefully tell better comic stories. He bagged a bit on BKV, which I think is deserving. I remember when BKV started putting out Runaways, and everyone in the “industry” was saying how revolutionary it was, and how well he wrote kids voices and attitudes. But I never saw it. I liked his “Y” books, and “Pride of Baghdad” – but I never understood how he got so much clout for Runaways. Same with Bendis. His run on “Powers” was great, and his script collections are cool, but Oeming did more for that book than anything Bendis wrote, in my opinion.
    So, yeah, I agree with him that we've got less talented writers getting more praise for mainstream comics – which is sad.
    Which is also why I love Atomic Robo. I've listened to the pod-casts (there's a fourth for ya!) and love when you guys talk about collaboration. Or, how Scott said he just took the latest FCBD and ran with it. It shows that you two (and other artists as well) have a comraderie that is mostly lacking in mainstream titles. I like the way Brian writes, but I'm mostly drawn to how Robo appears on the page – which is a credit to Scott. I'm not sure if Brian goes in depth on how Robo should look in his scripts – but I know from some of the podcasts that Scott adds as much as Brian does to the final product.
    And I'm happy that you both get equal billing on the cover – as it always should be.

  • Brian St. Claire

    So true.

    When I collaborate with artists on comics, I establish five basic ground rules.

    Rules 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 – when it comes to visuals, I don't know half of what the artist does. If they have a better suggestion for a page layout, I let them do it. If they think something just won't work, we try to find something that will. Not I, the Writer, God of Storytelling; We. The creative team.

    The artists're the heavy lifters. Text, at worst, is a necessary storytelling distraction, and at best, works seamlessly with the art. And while I love and adore writers, it's the writers who work well with their artists that come out the best – not the ones who try to shoehorn text into panels. It's about establishing and working with a flow.

    When I was writing reviews for WeeklyComicBookReview.com, that was always something I tried to address; making sure the team got credit, and not just the writer. Not just out of fairness, but also out of appreciation for everything they did, inkers / pencillers / colorists / letterers alike. Without them, the words are just that – words. And without the requisite imagery, sometimes the words are simply hollow.

  • http://www.nuklearpower.com Brian!

    “I read into the post that he was saying that it's a shame that writers have gotten so much attention over artists, and that it's mostly unfounded.”

    Oh, I absolutely agree with the basic premise. But I guess it just bugs me that he seems confused how these writers (or writers in general) could have gotten so over-promoted vs. their collaborators when it's pretty clearly basic economics.

  • http://mattcrap.deviantart.com/ mattcrap

    Instead of complaining about writer's OVER credit, maybe if he hinged it on the UNDER credit that an artist sometimes gets, then it would've been a more swaying argument. Because that's the MAIN problem with the argument, right off the bat, it all stems from a statement that's related to, but not absolutely in line with the essay that follows. The essay, as a whole, centers around writers getting too much credit. While the openeing statement was how it's hard to spot a star artist anymore. There's the two things to argue out in this scenario:

    the stated:
    “How do you spot a star artist in this writer dominated climate?”
    and the estimated:
    “Is it fair that writers get more credit for the book's end product, given their involvement?”
    ————————

    Picking a star artist shouldn't be difficult at all. Who does consistantly great work and works on high profile books? Even if the writers get more credit, the book wouldn't be what it is without that artist. It might sell just fine because Bendis or Millar have their name on it, but if adding the artist's name to the book adds in acclaim or sales then you might have a star artist on your hands.

    If Jim Lee or Steve McNiven draw a book with a shitty script…does it make his art suck?
    If the story blows but it's pretty to look at, am I gonna keep buying it?
    If the artwork is horrible shit…does that make the Morrison's or Johns' writing suck?
    If there's shitty artwork but the story is amazing, am I gonna keep buying it?

    ————

    The over-crediting of writers is an issue and will probably continue while so many artists remain fickle and flakey. When artists drag their feet on production (or they just take longer to complete their work) and jump titles based on their changing interests, then like Brian said- you can't market that. If you can't market it, then IT won't get as much credit.

    There's no doubt that GENERALLY (not always) the idea/concept/premise starts with a dude who calls himself a writer. Thenhe hands the visuals over to the artist. It varies on a comic page, but the actual physical text takes up maybe 20% of the page, the other 80% all falls to the artists interpretations. The artist can be instructed to make changes and edit his own work by the writer (or an editor) but what he see flowed from the artists hand. But how much of the artist's own story telling abilities take over where the script lacks? Sometimes the artist will flat-out change the story and the writer agrees to keep it a scripts for that change. But where does the writer/story-teller/plotter/visualizer/artist job start and stop? I think EVERY scripter/artist relationship is unique and can never really be boiled down to writer and artist.

    I've always thought, that like in film, the script can only go so far. If i want words on a page, I'll be reading a book. If I want cool visuals in my face, I'll read a comic or watch a movie. You can have a shitty screenplay that can turn into a decent movie, based on how it's directed. That director, like the artist on a comic, decides what you see and when you see it. Take JAWS, we all immediately identify it with Steven Spielberg. We may know Peter Benchley wrote the book, but do we recognize he and Carl Gottlieb as the screenwriters? Spielberg is is 90's superstar artist who got all the credit. Return of the Jedi, we all immediately think it's all George Lucas. He's credited for the story but the screenplay was written by Lawrence Kasdan and it was Richard Marquand who directed it. The credit/recognition goes to the originator of the idea and not to the guy who was in charge of the visuals, which mirrors today's climate in comics.

    Either way- giving one of these two major contributors more credit than the other will always be an unfair practice.

  • Scott!

    I think your explanation about who writers become the super-stars is spot on, Brian. I think it's one of the many reasons that creator-owned works have always appealed to me more that big serial projects that have multiple artists and writers working on it over time.

    If you or I ever left Robo it would turn into a very different book. (assuming the jerk who left even allowed someone else to take his place.)

  • Scott!

    I think your explanation about who writers become the super-stars is spot on, Brian. I think it's one of the many reasons that creator-owned works have always appealed to me more that big serial projects that have multiple artists and writers working on it over time.

    If you or I ever left Robo it would turn into a very different book. (assuming the jerk who left even allowed someone else to take his place.)